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		<title>By: Marlene Rush</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlene Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: D Whitehead</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>D Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marc,

Interesting comments, although I have to disagree with your stance on a &quot;natural environment&quot;, that you claim your product addresses.

I&#039;ve just visited the Teliris website, and whilst I cannot help but be extremely impressed with your 6G product, I still feel that it suffers from the same shortfalls of many of your rivals, including Tandberg and Cisco.

The first issue being the &quot;un-natural&quot; vertical bezels seperating the screens (constantly reminding you that you are looking at TV screens) and the gaping void between the desk and the screens (the distance I&#039;m assuming is to allow correct focus for the cameras) adding to the sense of seperation.

The only company that I&#039;ve come across that comes close to addressing these particular issues is DVE Telepresence, with their &quot;immersion room&quot; (http://www.dvetelepresence.com/products/immersion_room.asp) although to be fair to yourself, even they don&#039;t have this product on the market yet (They estimate Q4 &#039;09)

I believe this is the future of telepresence....not looking at a row of LCD screens!

Just my opinion -

David

p.s. I&#039;ve no affiliation to any vendors - I&#039;ve simply had the privilage of participating in various TP calls over the last couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc,</p>
<p>Interesting comments, although I have to disagree with your stance on a &#8220;natural environment&#8221;, that you claim your product addresses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just visited the Teliris website, and whilst I cannot help but be extremely impressed with your 6G product, I still feel that it suffers from the same shortfalls of many of your rivals, including Tandberg and Cisco.</p>
<p>The first issue being the &#8220;un-natural&#8221; vertical bezels seperating the screens (constantly reminding you that you are looking at TV screens) and the gaping void between the desk and the screens (the distance I&#8217;m assuming is to allow correct focus for the cameras) adding to the sense of seperation.</p>
<p>The only company that I&#8217;ve come across that comes close to addressing these particular issues is DVE Telepresence, with their &#8220;immersion room&#8221; (<a href="http://www.dvetelepresence.com/products/immersion_room.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.dvetelepresence.com/products/immersion_room.asp</a>) although to be fair to yourself, even they don&#8217;t have this product on the market yet (They estimate Q4 &#8217;09)</p>
<p>I believe this is the future of telepresence&#8230;.not looking at a row of LCD screens!</p>
<p>Just my opinion -</p>
<p>David</p>
<p>p.s. I&#8217;ve no affiliation to any vendors &#8211; I&#8217;ve simply had the privilage of participating in various TP calls over the last couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mentioned Telepresence extended to more than 6 people and using multiple rows. The Polycom RPX Immersive solutions has those features. What is your take on that product?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned Telepresence extended to more than 6 people and using multiple rows. The Polycom RPX Immersive solutions has those features. What is your take on that product?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Trachtenberg</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Trachtenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian,

First, thanks for taking the time to comment. I&#039;m happy to see Tandberg taking interest in this market! As for your comment, you are exactly right - every situation imposes limitations, whether it involves technology or not. BUT - and this is a big BUT - when people meet face-to-face, the limitations are natural. When you add technology into the mix, especially to an environment that strives to emulate an in-person meeting, we must ensure that the limitations remain NATURAL. If we do odd things with technology, such as adding 3D effects, or imposing a fixed number of participants to try and cover up the limitations, we make telepresence an UNNATURAL experience. When we walk into a telepresence room, we should feel as if we are walking into a consistent environment, one that looks, feels, and flows with every other room in that particular office. When we ask that our customers step into a different world when they enter a telepresence room, we cannot expect that they would behave or respond in a natural manner. Telepresence must mold itself around its users, not the other way around. I will not give up on this aspiration for what telepresence can and SHOULD be, if we develop it in the right ways. So thank you Brian for reading my blog, and I urge you and others at Tandberg (and Cisco, and HP, and Polycom, etc.!!!)  to continue to comment and to think hard about the direction you have taken with your T-3 product. Oh ... and one last insightful question, do you REALLY want to be HP&#039;s OEM supplier? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian,</p>
<p>First, thanks for taking the time to comment. I&#8217;m happy to see Tandberg taking interest in this market! As for your comment, you are exactly right &#8211; every situation imposes limitations, whether it involves technology or not. BUT &#8211; and this is a big BUT &#8211; when people meet face-to-face, the limitations are natural. When you add technology into the mix, especially to an environment that strives to emulate an in-person meeting, we must ensure that the limitations remain NATURAL. If we do odd things with technology, such as adding 3D effects, or imposing a fixed number of participants to try and cover up the limitations, we make telepresence an UNNATURAL experience. When we walk into a telepresence room, we should feel as if we are walking into a consistent environment, one that looks, feels, and flows with every other room in that particular office. When we ask that our customers step into a different world when they enter a telepresence room, we cannot expect that they would behave or respond in a natural manner. Telepresence must mold itself around its users, not the other way around. I will not give up on this aspiration for what telepresence can and SHOULD be, if we develop it in the right ways. So thank you Brian for reading my blog, and I urge you and others at Tandberg (and Cisco, and HP, and Polycom, etc.!!!)  to continue to comment and to think hard about the direction you have taken with your T-3 product. Oh &#8230; and one last insightful question, do you REALLY want to be HP&#8217;s OEM supplier? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Metcalfe</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Metcalfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

You state that true telepresence does not impose boundaries....

In the real world we have boundaries that impact in-person meetings - room size, table size, number of chairs etc. This is no different!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>You state that true telepresence does not impose boundaries&#8230;.</p>
<p>In the real world we have boundaries that impact in-person meetings &#8211; room size, table size, number of chairs etc. This is no different!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Trachtenberg</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Trachtenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Reza,

Thanks for your comments. You should definitely note that there is no Cisco 3D solution! It&#039;s a stage show, put on by Musion (www.musion.co.uk). It is a really cool piece of theatrics that Musion puts on for hundreds of companies that want a cool show. And it works with ANY content, DVD, HD and any video conferencing or telepresence technology. Oddly enough Musion technology is based on an old parlor trick called Pepper&#039;s Ghost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper&#039;s_ghost) invented back in 1838. 

The trouble here is that Cisco uses a 3D parlor trick to make its case that it is in lead technically, but it turns out to be marketing smoke and mirrors. Can you buy this from them? Is there a part number? Name me one customer they have running this. This is bad for the telepresence business. The telepresence industry is delivering on its promise to help change the way people do business, we do not need tricks and gimmicks as that only leads to disappointment. Teliris is delivering truly natural and immersive telepresence day in and day out without such silliness.

So now that I have gotten that off my chest, let me turn to the idea of using 3D in telepresence. Why does everyone think that 3D is the next telepresence thing? That it will make things more immersive? First of all, 3D is a display technology solution not a telepresence thing. You can add 3D to any system. The problem I think is the use of the effect. 3D when delivered via projection gives a nice effect, but the image has a transparent quality. Look at the Musion videos and you will see a wispy, faded quality. It lacks color, contrast etc that real world definition gives you. The research I have done in this area with customers showed that this kind of transparent image is distracting. I mean how many times have you been able to see through the person sitting across the table from you? (well I mean literally). The other issue is that you need a special background to display and capture the image. Again, look at Musion or any of the other 3D guys like Telepresence Tech at al. Add to that lighting etc and you have a big mess. This just does not work in the context of telepresence and creating a feeling of truly being in the same room across distance. It is actually less realistic and delivers the opposite effect.

Sorry to be so negative.... but hey, there&#039;s always a $700 billion dollar bailout to cheer me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Reza,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. You should definitely note that there is no Cisco 3D solution! It&#8217;s a stage show, put on by Musion (www.musion.co.uk). It is a really cool piece of theatrics that Musion puts on for hundreds of companies that want a cool show. And it works with ANY content, DVD, HD and any video conferencing or telepresence technology. Oddly enough Musion technology is based on an old parlor trick called Pepper&#8217;s Ghost (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper</a>&#8216;s_ghost) invented back in 1838. </p>
<p>The trouble here is that Cisco uses a 3D parlor trick to make its case that it is in lead technically, but it turns out to be marketing smoke and mirrors. Can you buy this from them? Is there a part number? Name me one customer they have running this. This is bad for the telepresence business. The telepresence industry is delivering on its promise to help change the way people do business, we do not need tricks and gimmicks as that only leads to disappointment. Teliris is delivering truly natural and immersive telepresence day in and day out without such silliness.</p>
<p>So now that I have gotten that off my chest, let me turn to the idea of using 3D in telepresence. Why does everyone think that 3D is the next telepresence thing? That it will make things more immersive? First of all, 3D is a display technology solution not a telepresence thing. You can add 3D to any system. The problem I think is the use of the effect. 3D when delivered via projection gives a nice effect, but the image has a transparent quality. Look at the Musion videos and you will see a wispy, faded quality. It lacks color, contrast etc that real world definition gives you. The research I have done in this area with customers showed that this kind of transparent image is distracting. I mean how many times have you been able to see through the person sitting across the table from you? (well I mean literally). The other issue is that you need a special background to display and capture the image. Again, look at Musion or any of the other 3D guys like Telepresence Tech at al. Add to that lighting etc and you have a big mess. This just does not work in the context of telepresence and creating a feeling of truly being in the same room across distance. It is actually less realistic and delivers the opposite effect.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so negative&#8230;. but hey, there&#8217;s always a $700 billion dollar bailout to cheer me up.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marc,

Thank you for the information. Have you heard the news about cisco&#039;s new 3D telepresence solution? You got any points on that?

Reza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc,</p>
<p>Thank you for the information. Have you heard the news about cisco&#8217;s new 3D telepresence solution? You got any points on that?</p>
<p>Reza</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kinne</title>
		<link>http://discovertelepresence.com/2008/09/19/tandberg-t3-reaction/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

I absolutely loved the passion you had in this video.  How are you doing these days?  We should catch-up on things.

Brian Kinne
937-620-6280</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>I absolutely loved the passion you had in this video.  How are you doing these days?  We should catch-up on things.</p>
<p>Brian Kinne<br />
937-620-6280</p>
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